East Screen / West Screen #47 – Long-Cast

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Running Time (2:02:44)

ES News:

  1. DON QUIXOTE and the Trailers that tease.
  2. Huaxia handling Khan in China (FilmBiz Asia)
  3. Actor shot dead for real (FilmBiz Asia)
  4. Jia gets local treatment at Workshop (FilmBiz Asia)
  5. SEX & ZEN 3D [ 3D肉蒲团之极乐宝鉴 ] Trailer on You Tube
    (NOTE: TRAILER FEATURES MATURE CONTENT FOR ADULTS ONLY)

WS News:

  1. ‘The Hobbit’ Gets Two New Stars (Hollywood Reporter)
  2. Jamie Chung Joins ‘Hangover 2’ Cast (Hollywood Reporter)

Special Topic:

The State of Hong Kong Cinema 2010

  • Interludes – Happy Hong Kong by Jacob Sisters (iTunes Link)

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15 thoughts on “East Screen / West Screen #47 – Long-Cast”

  1. Great show guys, very interesting topic, I thoroughly enjoyed it. We wife and I are both in our mid 30s, originally from China, been living in the US for a long time. We rarely watch HK films now, although we both loved them in our late teens and 20s. It might be because we were a lot more impressionable then, but maybe the films now don’t tell stories like they used to.

    The HK film industry’s shift of focus to mainland has made their work less intimate, while the mainland covet their expertise and they themselves need the mainland’s market; they don’t know the mainland’s audience as well as they did in HK, and they have a lot less creative freedom as they did before. If you’re a Cantonese chef, I won’t expect great Szechuan dishes from you, not unless you’ve been serving Szechuanese for a while.

    Globalization is another distracting factor, since film makers spend a lot energy trying to please audience they don’t know very well. They should make films that they themselves and audience they know best can enjoy, like what they did in the 80s & 90s. Hollywood films didn’t become successfully because they targeted intl’ audiences initially, they were always heavily focused on home audiences until fairly recently.

    The sad thing is the growing film market in mainland propelled by the economic development is rewarding these less intimate, inferiorly crafted (in term of storytelling) films. More people are going to the movies because they access and they can afford to now, not because the movies are getting better.

    Piracy has really killed smaller, more intimate films, people are much more likely to go to the theaters to see big budget films that have been heavily prompted, even though they know they going to hate them, but they still wanna go just so they get to condemn them later.

    1. Thanks for your comments Jisong, and thanks for listening too. You points on globalization and piracy really hit the mark. And you are right in that my discussions with native Hong Konger friends and students have revealed exactly what you stated. They are perfectly ok to go see a huge budget film even though they know it may have a terrible story (2012 and The Day After Tomorrow come to mind), but they won’t even consider seeing most local films at the cinema anymore. Sadly such are the times we live in.

      1. I’m not sure it’s just the fact that Hollywood blockbusters have a bigger budget and better effects — I also think they perhaps do a better job of churning out event movies that are best enjoyed with a big audience.

        Take Chungking Express, for example — it’s a nice, intimate movie that’s completely enjoyable watching at home on Blu-Ray. But I finally saw Iron Man 2 last night… and while I liked it, it was obvious that certain little scenes and elements were there specifically to draw a raucous reaction from a large crowd. It’s impossible to recreate that experience at home. Just thinking off the top of my head, I don’t see that as much in Asian movies. (or perhaps they just go over my head)

        1. I agree that the Hollywood formula has definitely pegged overseas markets and knows how to cater to them. It’s just too bad that it usually comes in the form of a Michael Bay movie, which local movies will then often try and replicate ha ha…

  2. Interestingly enough, I once had a long online chat with actor Nicholas Tse on a similar topic at alivenotdead.com just a little over a year ago. That was when Nic actually had time to spare on alivenotdead’s shoutbox. People kept harassing him over questions about his wife and Edison Chen so I had to step in and switch the topic to the sad state of Hong Kong film industry. Just as you guys have mentioned on the podcast, Nic has said that many people in the industry are just doing this to make ends meet and sometimes, it’s not always about integrity. Himself included. (Nicholas Tse would always mention that he’s working to “pay the bills”.) Then he says it’s going to be hard (not impossible) to get the film industry back into shape. Piracy being one of those reasons making things hard. I do recall how he joked about the possibilities of a “dragon tiger gate” sequel. The chat happened a long time ago so my memory is a little vague on the conversation. I just remember Nicholas was very detailed and enlightening. Very friendly guy! I’m surprised he still remembers my name when I had a quick word with him a couple of months ago..

  3. Is it just me, or was 2010 a considerable improvement for HK cinema in comparison to recent years? Apart from a slight increase in quantity, you had a whopping 2 films each from Pang Ho-cheung and Dante Lam, big budget stuff like Ip Man 2, oddball festival darlings like Gallants, very “local” indie-esque stuff like Girl$…of course you can argue about the quality about all of those, but from an industry perspective it seems like a little sign of hope.

    1. There have been some definite gems this year, I will agree with you there Andy, and I have liked far more films this year so far than in 2009. Hope the trend continues in 2011

  4. Ultimately I guess the local talent (actors / producers /directors) will focus (most of the time at least) on the area where they stand the best chance of making the most money and that clearly is the mainland (with “controversial” stories reserved for lower budget films that can maybe add to their tally by getting some play in Europe & the US)

  5. I know you guys have been talking about this upcoming movie but I’ve got some bad news for you. Just found out today that the theatrical release date for “Lover’s Discourse” has been delayed to sometime in January 2011. This is due to the scheduled end of 2010 release date for Mainland China. Here’s the article that mentions the delay right here. (Sorry, article’s in Chinese but I’ve basically summarized what the article says)

    http://hongkongfilms.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=2706937

  6. paul, this episode is great but i got a very nasty technical issue here.
    after having downloaded the thing twice i got the 2hrs version and the 1:40. both bear entire section that are repeating and both stop at the end right in the middle of either kevin’s or kozo’s sentence. i spend now nearly 4hrs listening and somewhat still got the feeling of not having heard the whole thing.
    maybe splitting up the episodes into chunks could make the whole thing more customer friendly. especially since one cannot jump forward on the streaming versions and when the stream crashes, which it does all the time, one has to start all over again.
    hope you can find a way for those tech bugs so they dont effect your brilliant show content!

    just suggestions from a devoted fan.
    thanks and keep it up
    m

    1. Thanks for the heads up on the tech problems Marco. I will do some more troubleshooting to see if I can figure it out.

      Unfortunately with regard to the embedded player, this is the ‘goto’ widget for podcasting and splitting into chunks would not work well with it (since it is running of the iTunes RSS feed). Not being a coder myself, I have to go with it as is…and have no clue as to how to modify it.

      Thanks again for the feedback though, I will try to get to the root of the problem. 🙂

  7. Hi,

    you can actually skip forward in the stream (once it is buffered, to be precise) – just click in the area where it says “Track 1”. The buffered segment is indicated by the thin black line.
    Cheers,
    Steve

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